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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 24, 2010 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

So very true. This may be the best opportunity for many of the socially stunted participants around here to get felt up.

Mmmmmm, a 300 pound, sweaty TSA worker rubbing my special area with a latex-gloved hand. Sounds like a date to me.

But seriously, I love how the Tea-Baggers are blaming this all on Obama. Like him or not, this whole thing was almost pre-ordained when the Patriot Act came into being under the last administration.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 24, 2010 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

"Mmmmmm, a 300 pound, sweaty TSA worker rubbing my special area with a latex-gloved hand. Sounds like a date to me."

Pick you up at 8? Oh--alrighty...I suspect that "TSA" stands for "Terrapin Station Afficionado" and that just doesn't apply to me. Latex irritates my delicate skin anyhow.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 24, 2010 10:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead



SDH - You already know I despise all professional politicians, but in the interests of fairness, let's also understand that the current administration not only extended the Patriot Act, they also expanded it.

To allow for declaration of American citizens as terrorists and immediate suspension of their Constitutionally given right to due process.

A little over 200 years ago, such an act would have one twitching at the end of a rope for treason.

Here's the poser for me. I would venture to guess that most of the TSA agents are thinking to themselves, "This is really shitty, but what choice do I have? It's my job and if I don't do it I will get fired."

I have no doubt that this level of screening isn't going to stop anyone bent on terrorism, so the argument of "in the best interests of National Security" rings a little hollow.

But I sincerely believe that most of the TSA agents are pretty good people who are more worried about continuity of a paycheck for their families - so they pull on the gloves and do what they are told to do. It's pretty easy (and unfair) to say that "they" should "take a stand" by those who aren't doing what TSA agents are being told to do.

For me - I don't fly. And if the rare occasion came up where I had to and my lucky number came up for the grip and grope, I would simply refuse and choose not to fly. No fuss, no fanfare.

I have heard some feedback from some that one tactic that appears to be getting a little traction is if you choose not to be scanned by the "look at the 49 year old naked guy" machine and instead choose to be patted down, all you have to do is ask for uniformed police to be present and tell the TSA agent that you will comply with the pat down, but that he/she is not to touch you until you give them express permission to start. If they don't then you can have them arrested for assault. Here in Virginia, the Norfolk Police Department has shared jurisdiction at the airport and they are required to investigate the assault complaint. Which has so far consisted of taking the TSA agent into custody for questioning at least twice.

We'll see how this one plays out - but I have little hope that the solution lies with the Idiocracy in DC.

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Poster: joeken Date: Nov 24, 2010 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

FYI Mando, according to the rules I read in todays Portland Oregonian, you would not be allowed to refuse and walk away. If your number comes up you MUST submit to one or the other, the rationalization being that a terrorist would refuse and cannot be allowed to just walk away.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 25, 2010 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

You can refuse and walk away. Then you will be arrested.

And then they will find out how good my lawyer is and how well I know Constitutional Law.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 25, 2010 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

And then your case will make its way all the way up to the Supreme Court and you'll find out how much the Roberts' court truly cares about that document...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 29, 2010 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

And then the Court will find out how much I care about that document.

"....all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Retirement did not relieve me of my oath and obligation.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 24, 2010 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: National Opt-Out Day undead

I agree about the poor TSA agents. I read an article today about how pissed they are about having to do the new searches as well.
As for effectiveness, I've seen at least two interviews with former El Al security directors saying how useless these scans are.

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